Haybron 7-8
1. More important than whether you're happy, says Haybron, is what?2. What makes civilization possible?
3. As a general rule, says Haybron, selfish and shallow people don't look _____.
4. A more demanding notion of the good life must meet what standard?
5. Does Haybron recommend scheduling quality family time?
6. What does Kahneman say about "focusing illusions"?
DQ:
- It's easy to say that someone else's happiness is not the most important thing, harder to say that of yourself. Do you?
- Do you share the consensus of "virtually all ethical philosophers" that "acting badly is out of the question, even if that would make us happier"? What compels this view?
- Comment: "One should not be an asshole in the pursuit of happiness."
- Will having kids make you happier? Better? 97-8
- What "model of appreciative engagement" in music or another art do you prefer? 100
- Have you encountered "touroids"? 104 Did you ignore them, taunt them, take their picture...? Are they despicable, or merely laughable?
- Have you known a "Dr. Tom"?
- What percentage of your friends and acquaintances pass the "eulogy test"? 111
- No old person lies on his deathbed and regrets not having ended it as a teenager. 113 True?
- Would you prefer that your children lead extraordinary public lives, or lives that are serene, wise, and anonymous? How do you defend your preference? 115
- Are you addicted to a device or a social medium? Does this concern you? How will you redress it? 117k
- Comment: is figure 16 disturbing? Have you been in this scenario? Will you be, in the future? Do you accept this as normal and acceptable in today's world?
- To what grandmotherly wisdom do you subscribe? Or do you think older people have nothing relevant to teach?
- More discussion questions in comments?
The Myth of Quality Time
EVERY summer for many years now, my family has kept to our ritual. All 20 of us — my siblings, my dad, our better halves, my nieces and nephews — find a beach house big enough to fit the whole unruly clan. We journey to it from our different states and time zones. We tensely divvy up the bedrooms, trying to remember who fared poorly or well on the previous trip. And we fling ourselves at one another for seven days and seven nights.
That’s right: a solid week. It’s that part of the ritual that mystifies many of my friends, who endorse family closeness but think that there can be entirely too much of it. Wouldn’t a long weekend suffice? And wouldn’t it ward off a few spats and simplify the planning?
The answer to the second question is yes, but to the first, an emphatic no.
I used to think that shorter would be better, and in the past, I arrived for these beach vacations a day late or fled two days early, telling myself that I had to when in truth I also wanted to — because I crave my space and my quiet, and because I weary of marinating in sunscreen and discovering sand in strange places. But in recent years, I’ve showed up at the start and stayed for the duration, and I’ve noticed a difference.
With a more expansive stretch, there’s a better chance that I’ll be around at the precise, random moment when one of my nephews drops his guard and solicits my advice about something private. Or when one of my nieces will need someone other than her parents to tell her that she’s smart and beautiful. Or when one of my siblings will flash back on an incident from our childhood that makes us laugh uncontrollably, and suddenly the cozy, happy chain of our love is cinched that much tighter.
There’s simply no real substitute for physical presence. We delude ourselves when we say otherwise, when we invoke and venerate “quality time,” a shopworn phrase with a debatable promise: that we can plan instances of extraordinary candor, plot episodes of exquisite tenderness, engineer intimacy in an appointed hour.
We can try. We can cordon off one meal each day or two afternoons each week and weed them of distractions. We can choose a setting that encourages relaxation and uplift. We can fill it with totems and frippery — a balloon for a child, sparkling wine for a spouse — that signal celebration and create a sense of the sacred.
And there’s no doubt that the degree of attentiveness that we bring to an occasion ennobles or demeans it. Better to spend 15 focused, responsive minutes than 30 utterly distracted ones.
But people tend not to operate on cue. At least our moods and emotions don’t. We reach out for help at odd points; we bloom at unpredictable ones. The surest way to see the brightest colors, or the darkest ones, is to be watching and waiting and ready for them.
That’s reflected in a development that Claire Cain Miller and David Streitfeld wrote about in The Times last week. They noted that “a workplace culture that urges new mothers and fathers to hurry back to their cubicles is beginning to shift,” and they cited “more family-friendly policies” at Microsoft and Netflix, which have extended the leave that parents can take.
They’ll be lucky: Many people aren’t privileged enough to exercise such discretion. My family is lucky, too. We have the means to get away.
But we’re also dedicated to it, and we’ve determined that Thanksgiving Day isn’t ample, that Christmas Eve passes too quickly, and that if each of us really means to be central in the others’ lives, we must make an investment, the biggest components of which are minutes, hours, days. As soon as our beach week this summer was done, we huddled over our calendars and traded scores of emails to figure out which week next summer we could all set aside. It wasn’t easy. But it was essential.
Couples move in together not just because it’s economically prudent. They understand, consciously or instinctively, that sustained proximity is the best route to the soul of someone; that unscripted gestures at unexpected junctures yield sweeter rewards than scripted ones on date night; that the “I love you” that counts most isn’t whispered with great ceremony on a hilltop in Tuscany. No, it slips out casually, spontaneously, in the produce section or over the dishes, amid the drudgery and detritus of their routines. That’s also when the truest confessions are made, when hurt is at its rawest and tenderness at its purest.
I know how my 80-year-old father feels about dying, religion and God not because I scheduled a discrete encounter to discuss all of that with him. I know because I happened to be in the passenger seat of his car when such thoughts were on his mind and when, for whatever unforeseeable reason, he felt comfortable articulating them.
And I know what he appreciates and regrets most about his past because I was not only punctual for this summer’s vacation, but also traveled there with him, to fatten our visit, and he was uncharacteristically ruminative on that flight.
It was over lunch at the beach house one day that my oldest nephew spoke with unusual candor, and at unusual length, about his expectations for college, his experiences in high school — stuff that I’d grilled him about previously, never harvesting the generous answers that he volunteered during that particular meal.
It was on a run the next morning that my oldest niece described, as she’d never done for me before, the joys, frustrations and contours of her relationships with her parents, her two sisters and her brother. Why this information tumbled out of her then, with pelicans overhead and sweat slicking our foreheads, I can’t tell you. But I can tell you that I’m even more tightly bonded with her now, and that’s not because of some orchestrated, contrived effort to plumb her emotions. It’s because I was present. It’s because I was there. --Frank Bruni, nyt
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How to Live Wisely.
Imagine you are Dean for a Day. What is one actionable change you would implement to enhance the college experience on campus?
I have asked students this question for years. The answers can be eye-opening. A few years ago, the responses began to move away from “tweak the history course” or “change the ways labs are structured.” A different commentary, about learning to live wisely, has emerged.
What does it mean to live a good life? What about a productive life? How about a happy life? How might I think about these ideas if the answers conflict with one another? And how do I use my time here at college to build on the answers to these tough questions? (nyt - continues)==
The Meaning of Life, the secret of happiness
"Well, it's nothing very special. Uh, try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations..."
- Monty Python
"A life that partakes even a little of friendship, love, irony, humor, parenthood, literature, and music, and the chance to take part in battles for the liberation of others cannot be called 'meaningless' except if the person living it is also an existentialist and elects to call it so. It could be that all existence is a pointless joke, but it is not in fact possible to live one's everyday life as if this were so." Christopher Hitchens
“The literal meaning of life is whatever you're doing that prevents you from killing yourself.” Albert Camus
“A life of short duration...could be so rich in joy and love that it could contain more meaning than a life lasting eighty years... Those who have a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'.” Viktor E. Frankl
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Old Podcast ch7 ... Happiness & the good life
Q- Will having kids make you happier? Better?
ReplyDeleteA- The answer to the first question is yes and no. As someone who has kids, it has made me much happier in life, but also a lot more stressed. When I saw my daughter for the first time as she exited the womb, I had this wave of pure love come over me that I had never experienced before. My parents used to tell me this all of the time, and I'm sure many of yours have too. They would say that I could never understand how much they love me, and I won't understand until I have kids of my own... and they were right. This kind of love is unlike any other type of love imaginable. The word that closest resembles this love is Agape love. Immediately after this wave of love crashed over me, an immense wave of stress came with it. I remember thinking to myself that nothing else matters now. I have to do everything in my power, no matter the sacrifice, to ensure my daughter is protected and lives well. So, it does and doesn't make make my life happier, and for me, it's not possible to have one without the other.
As for making my life better; I believe it does. It gave me this sense of meaning and the desire to fulfill it. I was no longer just a husband -- I was a father. Sure, there is stress involved with that, but I struggle to find anything else that is truly meaningful that isn't stressful at times. It gave me a sense of responsibility that I had never experienced before, and my motivations changed because of it. Becoming a father is the best thing that has happened in my life, and it's because it made my life better in ways I never expected.
Q- Are you addicted to a device or a social medium? Does this concern you? How will you redress it?
ReplyDeleteA- I am definitely addicted to my phone, and it does concern me. At this moment in my life, realistically, I don't know that changing that is an option. I can do better at putting it down, and I am currently taking steps toward that. However, I work in IT. I have been for 11 years (this month). My entire career has evolved around technology. I even build computers on the side for people in my downtime. So there is no way to completely avoid it, or become "sober." The step I am currently taking is putting my phone away when I am with my family. I'll leave it in another room so I can be present, and not worry about checking my phone every 5 seconds. In order to truly address the issue, I will have to wait until I get my degree so that I can change careers.
3. As a general rule, says Haybron, selfish and shallow people don't look _____.
ReplyDeleteHaybron concludes that selfish and shallow people don’t normally look happy at all. It sounds sort of cliché, but I do think he is right. I can imagine that most people who are truly unhappy or unsatisfied would have a hard time sustaining the illusion that they are indeed the opposite. While a smile may illude momentary happiness, at least it symbolizes a greater gesture than those who may hardly brandish them.
Have you known a "Dr. Tom"?
ReplyDeleteYes, and his name was Jon Gray. He was my grandfather, and a wonderful man and pastor. He offered marriage counseling, volunteered his time and services to a local animal shelter, and just loved people the way he felt they were to be loved. I would be lying if I said his motivations weren’t intimidating, as I’d like to think I care for people, but certainly not as openly or effortlessly as he did. By those standards, I think he lived an incredible and fulfilling life, not only for himself but for others as well.
To what grandmotherly wisdom do you subscribe? Or do you think older people have nothing relevant to teach?
ReplyDeleteI think I try to dwell on the idea that time heals all wounds, whether they were deep cuts or minor scratches. I think older generations have plenty to share and advise on, though making sense of it or learning how to adapt it to personal situations may be necessary. When it comes to spiritual or philosophical viewpoints, I appreciate the experience and wisdom that comes from simply living longer. Although age can sometimes deceive the concept of wisdom, just about any and all perspectives can help me determine what sort of ventures – spiritual, financial, philosophical, emotional, etc. – I find valuable or beneficial to my life.
Will having kids make you happier? Better?
ReplyDeleteI think that having kids has the potential to make someone happier and/or better, but only as much as having purpose does. Kids are not a requirement or a bridge for happiness, but they provide an opportunity to care for something outside yourself with a lasting imprint in society. This type of satisfaction can be attained through different avenues--career focus, creating art, volunteer work, etc.--but to me, these are all fulfilling a certain desire that exists in most humans, which could ultimately stem from our biological urge to procreate.
To what grandmotherly wisdom do you subscribe? Or do you think older people have nothing relevant to teach?
ReplyDeleteThere’s a quote my grandmother once taught me that has continued to echo through my life in countless situations: "Telling the truth just to hurt someone is worse than any lie you can ever tell." This is a compelling statement and one that shows the power of truth and the need to respect it.
Do you share the consensus of "virtually all ethical philosophers" that "acting badly is out of the question, even if that would make us happier"? What compels this view?
ReplyDeleteNo, not in the blanket manner it's presented here. The problem is that “acting badly” is not an objective category but a subjective one, shifting with culture, history, and perspective. While philosophers attempt to define good and bad in universal terms, those definitions don’t erase the reality that what counts as “bad” is often contested. More importantly, I think that consequences--both personal and social--are essential to moral development. Preventing every “bad” act would only produce fragility, not virtue. If people don't face the results of their harmful choices, they never truly learn why those choices matter.
Ironically, a perfectly *pure* society would create the same problems it tries to avoid, because it would deprive individuals of the experience needed to internalize moral responsibility. Humans must come to *know* the consequences of their actions, both intuitively and explicitly, in order to prevent repeating them.
Q:It's easy to say that someone else's happiness is not the most important thing, harder to say that of yourself. Do you?
ReplyDeleteA: I struggle with this concept a lot. I often time put other people’s happiness above my own. I will often give a lot to other people because it makes me happy, but then I find myself becoming resentful when they don’t do the same for me. It is difficult for me to justify that resentment because I do those things for other people because it makes me happy, but then I find myself feeling unappreciated when people don’t do the same for me. One thing I have learned about myself, though, is that my empathy is my greatest strength and my greatest weakness. I love being somebody with a big heart that has a lot to give. It also causes me a lot of pain when it feels like people don’t appreciate me as much as I appreciate them. So for me, I think I take that statement in the opposite direction. It is easy for me to say that other people’s happiness is the most important thing and more difficult for me to say that my happiness is the most important.
Q:Will having kids make you happier? Better? 97-8
A: I absolutely believe that having kids will make me happier. I already work with children and I have the best nephew in the whole world. I know it is not the same thing as having kids of my own, but I feel like when the time comes, I will be a good mother and having kids will be the missing piece in my life. I remember the feeling I had when I first met my nephew after he was born. I didn’t think I could love anybody more than my dogs (other than my parents/sibling, but that is a different kind of love). Then I met my nephew, and it was the strongest feelings of love that I have ever felt. I can only imagine how strong those feelings will be for my own children. While I am not ready to have children with where I am at in my life, it is a part of my life that I am extremely excited for.
1.I think kids can make someone happier if they are something the person wants. However, I don’t think kids can make someone better. A person would like to be better on their own, while having reasons like having children as a motivator.
ReplyDelete2. I would say that I’m kind of addicted to TikTok. It is a slight problem because I’m on the app more than doing things I need to be doing. I try to limit my screen time to curb this habit.
3. I think Figure 16 can be seen as sad since screen time has taken up the space for face-to-face conversations. I have been in a situation where everyone is on their phones and nobody is talking to each other. I didn’t like the experience and hope not to go through that again.
Q - Do you share the consensus of "virtually all ethical philosophers" that "acting badly is out of the question, even if that would make us happier"? What compels this view?
ReplyDeleteYes, wholeheartedly. I think some of the strength of true happiness lies in self-denial, rejecting our self interest as much as we possibly can out of concern for others. If everyone did that society would be better off - only you can't count on people to maintain that level of unabating empathy, so it's not particularly pragmatic.
Even so, it's easy to see that nothing that would harm another person can bring meaningful happiness. Impulsive, short-sighted conduct always has blood mixed in. So, though we'll unavoidably hurt others as we go on living, we should strive not to, and such an ideal doesn't need a reason.
Q - Have you encountered "touroids"? Did you ignore them, taunt them, take their picture...? Are they despicable, or merely laughable?
I was raised in many countries around the world - some more attractive to tourism than others - but encounters with touroids were consistent in every one. My mother and I would just look at each other and frown, then talk about it afterward, and local people (especially in Eastern nations) would try to carry on with neutrality.
I think touroids are symptoms of a deeper disease. It seems to me that there is a kind of person who lives life for its entertainment value, strutting upon the stage without fretting, doing so consciously and taking pleasure in their position as a player, disgusted at the mere prospect of engaging with life beneath superficiality and ridiculing all those who do. To them, everything appears to be theatre, and their reactivity marks the advent of suffering for people who care about the world. This is the sort of person who would reject the former question.
Question 3: I totally agree! Seeking happiness doesn’t give anyone a free pass to be mean or hurt others. True happiness usually comes from kindness, respect, and good relationships and not from stepping on people. So, being a decent person is actually part of living a happy life. Imagine that!
ReplyDeleteQuestion 9: It’s true that when people are about to die, they usually don’t wish they had died young instead. They appreciate the life they’ve lived, even if it wasn’t perfect and I stand by that. It makes me sad when my grandma talks about her insecurities with her wrinkles, but I see it as a way of living life to the fullest. Smile lines, forehead wrinkles and even eye squint wrinkles just show the amount of happiness one has had in a lifetime and I think that is beautiful.
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