Haybron 7-8
1. More important than whether you're happy, says Haybron, is what?
2. What makes civilization possible?3. As a general rule, says Haybron, selfish and shallow people don't look _____.
4. A more demanding notion of the good life must meet what standard?
5. Does Haybron recommend scheduling quality family time?
6. What does Kahneman say about "focusing illusions"?
DQ:
- It's easy to say that someone else's happiness is not the most important thing, harder to say that of yourself. Do you?
- Do you share the consensus of "virtually all ethical philosophers" that "acting badly is out of the question, even if that would make us happier"? What compels this view?
- Comment: "One should not be an asshole in the pursuit of happiness."
- Will having kids make you happier? Better? 97-8
- What "model of appreciative engagement" in music or another art do you prefer? 100
- Have you encountered "touroids"? 104 Did you ignore them, taunt them, take their picture...? Are they despicable, or merely laughable?
- Have you known a "Dr. Tom"?
- What percentage of your friends and acquaintances pass the "eulogy test"? 111
- No old person lies on his deathbed and regrets not having ended it as a teenager. 113 True?
- Would you prefer that your children lead extraordinary public lives, or lives that are serene, wise, and anonymous? How do you defend your preference? 115
- Are you addicted to a device or a social medium? Does this concern you? How will you redress it? 117k
- Comment: is figure 16 disturbing? Have you been in this scenario? Will you be, in the future? Do you accept this as normal and acceptable in today's world?
- To what grandmotherly wisdom do you subscribe? Or do you think older people have nothing relevant to teach?
More discussion questions in comments?
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EVERY summer for many years now, my family has kept to our ritual. All 20 of us — my siblings, my dad, our better halves, my nieces and nephews — find a beach house big enough to fit the whole unruly clan. We journey to it from our different states and time zones. We tensely divvy up the bedrooms, trying to remember who fared poorly or well on the previous trip. And we fling ourselves at one another for seven days and seven nights.
That’s right: a solid week. It’s that part of the ritual that mystifies many of my friends, who endorse family closeness but think that there can be entirely too much of it. Wouldn’t a long weekend suffice? And wouldn’t it ward off a few spats and simplify the planning?
The answer to the second question is yes, but to the first, an emphatic no.
I used to think that shorter would be better, and in the past, I arrived for these beach vacations a day late or fled two days early, telling myself that I had to when in truth I also wanted to — because I crave my space and my quiet, and because I weary of marinating in sunscreen and discovering sand in strange places. But in recent years, I’ve showed up at the start and stayed for the duration, and I’ve noticed a difference.
With a more expansive stretch, there’s a better chance that I’ll be around at the precise, random moment when one of my nephews drops his guard and solicits my advice about something private. Or when one of my nieces will need someone other than her parents to tell her that she’s smart and beautiful. Or when one of my siblings will flash back on an incident from our childhood that makes us laugh uncontrollably, and suddenly the cozy, happy chain of our love is cinched that much tighter.
There’s simply no real substitute for physical presence. We delude ourselves when we say otherwise, when we invoke and venerate “quality time,” a shopworn phrase with a debatable promise: that we can plan instances of extraordinary candor, plot episodes of exquisite tenderness, engineer intimacy in an appointed hour.
We can try. We can cordon off one meal each day or two afternoons each week and weed them of distractions. We can choose a setting that encourages relaxation and uplift. We can fill it with totems and frippery — a balloon for a child, sparkling wine for a spouse — that signal celebration and create a sense of the sacred.
And there’s no doubt that the degree of attentiveness that we bring to an occasion ennobles or demeans it. Better to spend 15 focused, responsive minutes than 30 utterly distracted ones.
But people tend not to operate on cue. At least our moods and emotions don’t. We reach out for help at odd points; we bloom at unpredictable ones. The surest way to see the brightest colors, or the darkest ones, is to be watching and waiting and ready for them.
That’s reflected in a development that Claire Cain Miller and David Streitfeld wrote about in The Times last week. They noted that “a workplace culture that urges new mothers and fathers to hurry back to their cubicles is beginning to shift,” and they cited “more family-friendly policies” at Microsoft and Netflix, which have extended the leave that parents can take.
They’ll be lucky: Many people aren’t privileged enough to exercise such discretion. My family is lucky, too. We have the means to get away.
But we’re also dedicated to it, and we’ve determined that Thanksgiving Day isn’t ample, that Christmas Eve passes too quickly, and that if each of us really means to be central in the others’ lives, we must make an investment, the biggest components of which are minutes, hours, days. As soon as our beach week this summer was done, we huddled over our calendars and traded scores of emails to figure out which week next summer we could all set aside. It wasn’t easy. But it was essential.
Couples move in together not just because it’s economically prudent. They understand, consciously or instinctively, that sustained proximity is the best route to the soul of someone; that unscripted gestures at unexpected junctures yield sweeter rewards than scripted ones on date night; that the “I love you” that counts most isn’t whispered with great ceremony on a hilltop in Tuscany. No, it slips out casually, spontaneously, in the produce section or over the dishes, amid the drudgery and detritus of their routines. That’s also when the truest confessions are made, when hurt is at its rawest and tenderness at its purest.
I know how my 80-year-old father feels about dying, religion and God not because I scheduled a discrete encounter to discuss all of that with him. I know because I happened to be in the passenger seat of his car when such thoughts were on his mind and when, for whatever unforeseeable reason, he felt comfortable articulating them.
And I know what he appreciates and regrets most about his past because I was not only punctual for this summer’s vacation, but also traveled there with him, to fatten our visit, and he was uncharacteristically ruminative on that flight.
It was over lunch at the beach house one day that my oldest nephew spoke with unusual candor, and at unusual length, about his expectations for college, his experiences in high school — stuff that I’d grilled him about previously, never harvesting the generous answers that he volunteered during that particular meal.
It was on a run the next morning that my oldest niece described, as she’d never done for me before, the joys, frustrations and contours of her relationships with her parents, her two sisters and her brother. Why this information tumbled out of her then, with pelicans overhead and sweat slicking our foreheads, I can’t tell you. But I can tell you that I’m even more tightly bonded with her now, and that’s not because of some orchestrated, contrived effort to plumb her emotions. It’s because I was present. It’s because I was there. Frank Bruni, nyt
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How to Live Wisely.
The Meaning of Life, the secret of happiness
"Well, it's nothing very special. Uh, try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations..."
- Monty Python
"A life that partakes even a little of friendship, love, irony, humor, parenthood, literature, and music, and the chance to take part in battles for the liberation of others cannot be called 'meaningless' except if the person living it is also an existentialist and elects to call it so. It could be that all existence is a pointless joke, but it is not in fact possible to live one's everyday life as if this were so." Christopher Hitchens
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How to Live Wisely.
Imagine you are Dean for a Day. What is one actionable change you would implement to enhance the college experience on campus?
I have asked students this question for years. The answers can be eye-opening. A few years ago, the responses began to move away from “tweak the history course” or “change the ways labs are structured.” A different commentary, about learning to live wisely, has emerged.
What does it mean to live a good life? What about a productive life? How about a happy life? How might I think about these ideas if the answers conflict with one another? And how do I use my time here at college to build on the answers to these tough questions? (nyt - continues)
==The Meaning of Life, the secret of happiness
"Well, it's nothing very special. Uh, try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations..."
- Monty Python
"A life that partakes even a little of friendship, love, irony, humor, parenthood, literature, and music, and the chance to take part in battles for the liberation of others cannot be called 'meaningless' except if the person living it is also an existentialist and elects to call it so. It could be that all existence is a pointless joke, but it is not in fact possible to live one's everyday life as if this were so." Christopher Hitchens
“The literal meaning of life is whatever you're doing that prevents you from killing yourself.” Albert Camus
“A life of short duration...could be so rich in joy and love that it could contain more meaning than a life lasting eighty years... Those who have a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'.” Viktor E. Frankl
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Old Podcast ch7 ... Happiness & the good life
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Old Podcast ch7 ... Happiness & the good life
Are you addicted to a device or a social medium? Does this concern you? How will you redress it?
ReplyDeleteI have a very confusing relationship with my smart device and social medias. Earlier this year, I deleted every social media app on my phone, aside from content platforms that I did not engage with socially. This left youtube and pinterest, two apps that will have to be pried out of my cold, dead hands. I immediately noticed a huge improvement in overall mood, fueled by a noticeable decrease in my general anxiety. Retracting myself from a constantly comparing interface did wonders for my well-being, though it left me feeling somewhat disconnected from people. I didn’t talk to many people whatsoever in my actual social life, and that truth was harshly visible once removing myself from those social media platforms. Though uncomfortable, I found myself subconsciously putting more effort into maintaining and nurturing the relationships I did have, and hanging awkwardly after classes have ended on the off chance a conversation would strike up with an acquaintance. On the whole, it was a great decision for me personally, but I am already noticing a couple of the same destructive habits repeating themselves. I can pour a lot of time into scrolling on youtube shorts, or find myself comparing my life and situation to those that I see in idyllic pinterest posts. I am still learning to navigate my relationship with such accessibility, but am already happy with the process I’ve made.
Have you encountered "touroids"? 104 Did you ignore them, taunt them, take their picture...? Are they despicable, or merely laughable?
ReplyDeleteI have definitely encountered “touroids,” and have most likely been guilty of the same behavior. This notion (the intertwinement between Americans’ pursuits of happiness and the capitalist economy) bothers me immensely. Since I was born, the world around me has been developing at an incredible rate into something far more commercial than I’d choose to live in. Mass media and consumer culture is richly engrained into the fabric of my life. For several years, I thought my day would be considered a bad one if I didn’t stop to purchase a coffee in the morning. I still enjoy a cup in the morning, but no longer equate the value a day has to offer with the monetary value of a Dunkin’ cold brew. This is just a tiny instance, though, and particularly in today’s economical situation, I am terrified of not being able to afford the life I imagined would bring me fulfillment. Most specifically, I am worried that I’ll never own my own home. Now, I understand that my vision of independence as a route to happiness is problematic in itself, and I found insurmountable joy in living with my father, but I am genuinely concerned in the same way the social workers in this chapter were: at what point will I hit the threshold where money has a significant impact on my happiness? Has it already? Do I need to further deconstruct my idea of happiness and opportunity from monetary understandings?
Don't be terrified. Write down your dreams (the life you imagined would bring you fulfillment), set goals that will lead them, make plans to achieve the goals - the terror goes away when you have a plan. The questions you are asking are the right ones.
DeleteEd knows whereof he speaks, he is a master planner and achiever. But you should also be prepared to shift the plan when you discover other values than material success... as we're about to begin discussing with the Epicureans.
DeleteWill having kids make you happier? Better? 97-8
ReplyDeleteI think too many people and children are doomed by the idea that having children inherently grants happiness— that it is such a human occurrence that it’s be impossible to not feel fulfilled by such a step. I find that it is a decision that should require far more foresight and selflessness than it is typically made with, today. In the same way that not being able to bare children doesn’t inherently cause unhappiness, I don’t believe having children implies the latter. I think raising a child is a uniquely intimate and human experience that has the opportunity for such effects, though none guaranteed.
Dailen,
DeleteThank you for your post. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what you said here. It reminds me of a lyric from a song by one of my favorite bands, Pile, that says, "not happy, not in love, but let's have a baby to save the marriage that we made up".
I feel the pressure all the time from my parents and society for me to have children. It seems for many people, it's just a logical step in maturation or any relationship. I don't personally want children - at least for now or for the foreseeable future. I think having a child right now would make me quite unhappy. How do you think it would effect you?
Being a dad has been the single most gratifying experience of my life, and occasionally also a headache. It checks the happiness box for me, but also the meaning and purpose boxes. It gives me a tangible stake in the future, a feeling that I've participated in Dewey's "continuous human community in which we are a link..." But don't do it if you aren't all in.
DeleteComment: "One should not be an asshole in the pursuit of happiness."
ReplyDeleteTo me, this is one of the most important ideas in our human pursuit of happiness. I believe that if your pursuit of happiness detracts from someone else's happiness in the process, then you do not deserve the happiness brought from that pursuit. All humans are striving to flourish and experience true happiness in life, and if the way for a person to be happy is to detract from others happiness, then that is incredibly wrong, and borderline evil to me. As a society and as humans, we should not want to make other people's position worse in life just to make ours better.
Matt,
DeleteThank you for your post. I would say that I largely agree with what you are saying here. If something would bring you happiness, but takes someone else's happiness in the process, perhaps there are other routes to happiness that should be sought after.
However, I wanted to play devil's advocate here. What about situations where you HAVE to prioritize your happiness over someone else's, lest you live in misery. For example, imagine a couple where one member is extremely happy with the relationship, while the other is extremely dissatisfied. For the one who is dissatisfied, they feel as though they need to leave the other in order to secure their own happiness. However, in doing so, they intentionally rob the other of their happiness. Do you believe this person should leave the relationship? Would they deserve the happiness that they would attain from leaving? At what point is prioritizing our happiness over someone else's acceptable?
Thanks for the response, Flynn, and the devil's advocacy! I think that situation is 100% justified in the dissatisfied person leaving. At the end of the day, a relationship is the conjoining of 2 individuals into one grouping. If half of the relationship is unhappy, then the full relationship, in my opinion, could never truly be happy or satisfied. I think in this instance we see a momentary lapse in one person's happiness for the ultimate betterment of both their happiness and situation. Thank you again for the great comment!
DeleteBut if there are children... ?
DeleteWill having kids make you happier? Better? 97-8
ReplyDeleteI think that it is completely dependent upon a variety of factors which have to do with your personality, where you live, what stage of life you are in, financials, etc. I think that when you try to fill the void of unhappiness with children that you are just imposing an undeserving environment on them. In this sense, children just become a way to try and fix the problem when the problem begins internally and needs to be addressed internally. For example, economic conditions contribute to the skyrocketing expense of housing in the United States. It is difficult to justify the expense of children when often times you are trying to provide for yourself.
And you should never use anyone, including children, as a mere means to some other end. Kant was right about that one.
DeleteTo what grandmotherly wisdom do you subscribe? Or do you think older people have nothing relevant to teach?
ReplyDelete"What do the old people teach us, except how to die?" - a line from a Say Anything song that I don't entirely subscribe to, but felt that it was relevant to this question. It has that angsty shock-factor teenage essence that makes me a sucker for pop punk - even if I don't always believe in what they are saying.
As far as grandmotherly wisdom, I'm not sure if there is anything that directly comes to mind for me. "Why comment at all about that particular question then?". Fair. I suppose its because the duality of the question interested me. I don't necessarily have any "grandmotherly" wisdom that I subscribe to, nor do I believe that old people have nothing relevant to teach us.
I would say that older people have a lot to teach us. Most of our instructors are older than us: our parents, our professors, etc. There's a reason that there is a stereotype for older people being wise. An older person has lived longer and thus has had more experiences. However, I don't think that anyone who is older is automatically wise or automatically deserves an inherent respect outside of the respect that everyone deserves.
Do you share the consensus of "virtually all ethical philosophers" that "acting badly is out of the question, even if that would make us happier"? What compels this view?
ReplyDeleteI think that it is entirely based on the situation. Sometimes, I am a proponent of acting bad in a minor manner when it gets the point across. (Petty stuff)
Actually, the other day I had multiple laundry piles set up in front of the washer. Once my things came out of the wash, my sister never communicated and just put her things in the wash in front of mine. So when her one wash was done I put it on top of the washer to be petty and put my stuff in without telling her.
She didn't like that. I just think it was mutual retaliation.
No old person lies on his deathbed and regrets not having ended it as a teenager. 113 True?
ReplyDeleteI always feel weary of absolutes, but generally speaking I would say this is a true statement. The teenage years of a human's life are hard, plain and simple. Everything and everyone feel against you, all while you are trying to discover who you are. News flash: I still am figuring it out in my 20's! But while those years are so difficult, they are only a certain percentage of a human's life. Once we become ripe in our age and time, I feel most humans will have been able to reconcile with their younger years and would not regret living the rest of their life. I would very much have regretted not seeing through my teenage years.
To what grandmotherly wisdom do you subscribe? Or do you think older people have nothing relevant to teach?
ReplyDeleteI think that older individuals can impact younger ones through explaining the importance of social connectedness in the absence of technology. Technology has ushered in a wave of individualism that has tailored content to your viewing preferences. This individualism has made society head down this road where group activities are becoming less frequent.
I think COVID also didn't help because it furthered this sense of social isolation which I think has become second nature to us.
Comment: "One should not be an asshole in the pursuit of happiness."
ReplyDeleteI agree with this to an extent. You don’t have to be an asshole on purpose, but that doesn’t mean that you should be self sacrificing either. Let’s say, in the pursuit of my happiness, I buy a car for myself. I bought it with all in cash I earned myself, this car belongs solely to me. However, now that I’ve bought this new car, my aunt says I should share my good fortune and drive her to and from dialysis. So I do. However, the aunt does not provide any gas money in return, she does not allow you to do other things while she is in dialysis, so when you take her, you end up loosing half of your weekend every time, and she is rather unpleasant through the whole ordeal, without uttering so much as a thank you. So I decide to revoke my services. The aunt in this scenario might think I am being an asshole for taking the only way she has to get to her lifesaving treatment. But for the sake of my happiness, this the road I must take. Sometimes, you do have to be an asshole for the pursuit of happiness.
My third post is a fun one!
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/JcVa_qe1itE?si=UFw6aeGSAvQnqhge
I played the role of Sally when I was in high school, and I must say, it gave me quite a taste for philosophy.